[games_access] Battlefield 2042 on PS5 not allowing 3rd party controllers

Sat Oct 9 14:24:18 MDT 2021

Yes and I remember many years ago when we talked about legislation for GA and it felt like it was not going to happen. Then CVAA happened. So why should it not be possible with legal action against bad hardware design? I would like Sony to do it by themselves though as it is a much faster route so hopefully they change their mind.

Kind regards,
Thomas

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> On 9 Oct 2021, at 11:44, Ian Hamilton <i_h at hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Couldn't agree more!
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> Imagine buying a Sony laptop in 2021 and not even being allowed to use a Sony mouse from 2020 let alone a Microsoft mouse.
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> From: Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
> Sent: Saturday, October 9, 2021 9:42:18 AM
> To: Thomas Westin <thomas at westin.nu>
> Cc: Ian Hamilton <i_h at hotmail.com>; games_access at lists.igda.org <games_access at lists.igda.org>
> Subject: Re: [games_access] Battlefield 2042 on PS5 not allowing 3rd party controllers
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> 👍
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> We can dream! They seem so close with the remote play apps allowing for a slightly more relaxed approach to what controllers are acceptable. Why not go a little further for all the benefits it would bring disabled users? 
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>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 17:46, Thomas Westin <thomas at westin.nu> wrote:
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>> Yes hardware should support open standards.
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>> EU should  do something similar to recentlty requiring USB-C for all smartphones, doing away with Apple Lightning. The argument I think was to minimise waste, save environment and make it easier for people.
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>> Similarly, game controllers should be possible to use regardless of platform,
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>> Kind regards,
>> Thomas
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>> (Sent from my mobile)
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>> On 8 Oct 2021, at 13:09, Ian Hamilton <i_h at hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> Yeah, that Apple video was a big win 🙂
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>> From: Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>> Sent: 08 October 2021 11:26
>> To: Ian Hamilton <i_h at hotmail.com>
>> Cc: Andreas Lopez <andreas.lopez93 at gmail.com>; games_access at lists.igda.org <games_access at lists.igda.org>
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Battlefield 2042 on PS5 not allowing 3rd party controllers
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>> I think it's important to be polite, but clear with Sony.
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>> Maybe a video showing people having the problems, people backing it, things they've done well, and this one issue. I once had luck with Apple with a video: https://youtu.be/-zlgmgBmqlA alongside others I'm sure asking for the same thing. Something that's easy to grasp and that may easily cross language barriers (thinking of Japan higher ups).
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>> I no longer have time to do that sort of thing. I have tried to forward these issues to Sony repeatedly. Since 1999! https://switchgaming.blogspot.com/2019/01/1999-letter-to-playstation.html. Any other thoughts?  :)
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>> Barrie
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>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 11:25, Ian Hamilton <i_h at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> If that's indeed how it is (which is just an assumption) then I'm sure they have already been told, there are enough good people internally who care a great deal about accessibility
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>> From: Andreas Lopez <andreas.lopez93 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 11:10:20 AM
>> To: Ian Hamilton <i_h at hotmail.com>
>> Cc: Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>; games_access at lists.igda.org <games_access at lists.igda.org>
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Battlefield 2042 on PS5 not allowing 3rd party controllers
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>> Wow! That's even worse then. Is there any way we can champion to Sony Execs to communicate that there are people who need 3rd party controllers?
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>> Maybe even start a petition or start working with the bigger charities like able gamer to get more attention towards this?
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>> I love my PS5 but I can't just watch such a huge anti-accessibility policy stand without trying to do something.
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>> Any thoughts on how to address this with Sony?
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>> On Fri, Oct 8, 2021, 4:19 AM Ian Hamilton <i_h at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Yeah AFAIK it's just down to the PS5, rather than rules laid down by individual games. If you want to play PS5 games Sony want you to use a PS5 controller. I've heard of one single third party PS5 controller available, it costs $250 and isn't very different. 
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>> I don't think three is any technical reason why other controllers couldn't work, they work with adaptors and when using the streaming hacky workaround. It smells to me of Sony execs believing that the controller is some new paradigm of interaction that is the key differentiator of their product. 
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>> So wonderful that gamers won't just choose to use it themselves and instead must be forced to 🤷🏻‍♂️
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>> From: games_access <games_access-bounces at lists.igda.org> on behalf of Barrie Ellis <barrie.ellis at oneswitch.org.uk>
>> Sent: Friday, October 8, 2021 8:58:21 AM
>> To: Andreas Lopez <andreas.lopez93 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: games_access at lists.igda.org <games_access at lists.igda.org>
>> Subject: Re: [games_access] Battlefield 2042 on PS5 not allowing 3rd party controllers
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>> It's very annoying and seemingly completely unnecessary. You can get around it in a very clunky way, using a Windows PC and the Playstation Remote Play app: https://remoteplay.dl.playstation.net/remoteplay/lang/en/ps5_win.html
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>> Here's some others that don't work with a PS4 controller directly:
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>> Kena: Bridge of Spirits
>> Lost in Random
>> Deathloop
>> Fornite
>> Doom Eternal
>> Back 4 Blood
>> Final Fantasy VII Remake
>> Call Of Duty: Vanguard
>> Diablo II: Resurrected
>> Ghost of Tsushima Directors Cut
>> Wreckfest
>> Ghost recon break point
>> 2k22
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>> If only Sony would allow for some nature of co-piloting a PS4 gamepad alongside a PS5 gamepad, I just can't see how they lose out. Perhaps it's not possible?
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>> Currently the PS5 gamepad walled garden is shutting a lot of physically disabled gamers out. Let's hope it gets better soon.
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>> Barrie
>> OneSwitch
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>> On Fri, 8 Oct 2021 at 00:28, Andreas Lopez <andreas.lopez93 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> See original post here:
>> https://www.reddit.com/r/playstation/comments/q36k4h/playstation_5_versions_of_games_can_only_be/
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>> This disabled gamer is reporting that on his PS5 3rd party controllers are not working. Including his PS4 controller. That sort of peripheral lock is non-sensical in my opinion. It's one thing for eSports, it's another for casual gamers especially considering there is no warning or anything.
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>> Does anyone have contacts with the battlefield team to maybe poke them about this issue?
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>> Sincerely,
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>> Andreas Lopez
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